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Hey guys would like a little feed back, may even catch some slack!馃槃 But i have been a honda fan sense i was a kid on my first dirt bike "xr100" with that being said when they finally released the talon i have fell in love from the first sight. But not ever owning a sxs im really hung up. The talon is a sweet machine but does it have enough power. I have been also looking at the polaris turbo S velocity as prices are some what comparable. Would like to know some insight from guys with experience. I hear a lot of reviews saying the talon is a great machine and lot of fun but lacking in power and wanting more. 2020 talon r 17k or 2020 turbo S 20k both are new machines. Will say i feel like the honda would give me less problem but they are still some what new... thanks in advance for any info.
 

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From the little I've seen and what I've read. The power doesn't really come into play unless you are in sand or deep snow, the way the honda puts down power with the dct it will be just as fast on trails.

Polaris seems to be more set up for add ons.

Honda seems to be built beefier.

Honda has no belt, so you don't need to watch temp or drive a certain way.

Polaris has a belt, which is a very cheap and quick repair if it breaks. Can be done on the trail.

I wish I could toot the honda reliability, but mine had issues from day one, and has been in the shop for 3 weekends now with multiple issues. Now they're saying 2 more weeks 馃槶
 

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Oh and honda is kinda lacking in the interior as far as guages. For the $22k I paid for a 1000x4 I would expect a little more than a guage pod from a 2004 Yamaha rhino 馃檮 you can't even monitor water temp and the odometer at the same time.

I'm not really into all the fancy stuff on a sxs, but the analog gauges on the rzr are pretty cool.

The front locker in the Polaris machines is the way to go imo, I wasn't a fan of the i4wd bs before I bought my Talon, and lo and behold it was the first failure, then took 2 weeks to diagnose and repair.
 

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Oh and honda is kinda lacking in the interior as far as guages. For the $22k I paid for a 1000x4 I would expect a little more than a guage pod from a 2004 Yamaha rhino 馃檮 you can't even monitor water temp and the odometer at the same time.

I'm not really into all the fancy stuff on a sxs, but the analog gauges on the rzr are pretty cool.

The front locker in the Polaris machines is the way to go imo, I wasn't a fan of the i4wd bs before I bought my Talon, and lo and behold it was the first failure, then took 2 weeks to diagnose and repair.
You know i wasnt very happy with the gauges or placement once i actually got to looking at them. Couldnt believe they put the gauges in the middle on the talon and had them behind the wheel on the pioneer!馃う鈥嶁檪锔
 

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Yep, it's also a pretty basic gauge for a 2020 $20k machine. It wasn't a huge deal to me, obviously not enough to go with a rzr, but worth mentioning.

There is a kit to relocate the factory gauge behind the wheel, but I don't like that either. I'm hoping someone comes out with an aftermarket gauge pod for in front of the driver.
 

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I have a can am xrrc and a Honda Talon. Love them both but the Honda is more solidly built. Unless you are duning you cant use the amount of power in either machine. Both have way more than you need for running trails. As far as gauges go, I find it difficult to be looking at gauges while I am watching where I am going. Not a factor for me. Lots of good machines out there. I do look the 6 speed trans and no belt.
 

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I've had a couple RZRs and now have the Talon X. I never had any problems with the RZRs with exception of my first one that was a 2012, and the suspension creaked constantly like an old rocking chair. I never had any belt problems or ball joint problems, but I never abused them, and never put a ton of miles on either. The RZR is a smother machine to drive thanks to the throttle and the CVT, and of course the turbo version will definitely have lots more power than the Talon.

The Talon has some major differences and some of those differences take some getting used to. As mentioned above, the Talon has a very sensitive throttle that can take some getting used to. In rough terrain it can make driving smoothly very difficult. The Talon, especially the 1000 X, has a very stiff suspension that only compounds the throttle sensitivity problem. Bouncing off of every little bump on the trail doesn't help keep a smooth throttle foot. The small and poorly positioned instrument cluster isn't really much of an issue for me simply because I don't really feel I have to monitor my speed that closely, but it can be difficult to see if your In Sport, or Manual etc, especially when the screen gets dusted over, and with old eyes! That's my biggest gripe about the instrumentation.

Additionally, while the 6 speed DCT transmission is cool and much more engaging, it also takes some getting used to. Even in auto modes, the constant shifting up and down, especially during various trail surfaces can get a little fatiguing. The shifts, both up and down, are quick and somewhat abrupt. My wife still isn't a fan because they can tend to jerk her forward and back in her seat when it shifts. I just installed 4-point harnesses that I'm hoping will help keep her tighter in the seat and help with some of that.

My Talon also makes a pretty high pitched whine in the transmission that can get irritating too. We have pretty much always ridden without helmets or ear plugs which I'm sure doesn't help matters, but I never had any real issue with noise in the RZR.

Another design issue with the Talon is the poorly placed engine air intake location. Sucks up the dirty air coming off the rear wheelwell and loads the $50 air filter in no time. Hopefully someone will come up with a decent aftermarket system that will relocate the air intake to a better location and doesn't involve $550 and an electric fan whirring behind your head.

Having listed all the negatives about the Talon, there are just as many, and potentially more important positives. Honda's proven record of reliability is a major boon for the Talon, and even thought it's yet to be proven out in the Talon, most of us are hanging our hats on the thought that the Talon will hold up much better over the long haul than either the Polaris or the CanAm, and I think there is a real good chance of that being true. There are a couple Talon owners already racking up thousands of trouble free miles nearly unheard of with the other brands.

The lack of a CVT belt eliminates the chance you'll be 30 miles form civilization in 100 degree heat, or 12" of snow on you hands and knees trying to change out a belt. You also most likely won't be replacing ball joints etc in 1000 miles.

I eliminated the worst of my Talon gripes by sending the shocks to Shock Therapy for the full Ride Improvement work over. The worked over shocks won't show up for another couple days, but I'm very anxious to get them on and see what kind of difference the guys at Shock Therapy were able to make. They did tell me that the Talon X is the stiffest factory suspension they've encountered. I also installed a $1700 Rugged Radio intercom and 2-way radio system with head sets that should eliminate the noise issue and aide in communications overall.

Do I think it's a little ridiculous to have to drop thousands of dollars on a brand new state of the art side by side to deal with some very obvious design issues, especially from a company as well established and engineering heavy as Honda? Absolutely! But, since I only paid $16,000 for the Talon I don't feel as bad about putting a few bucks into it to make it the way I want it.

As for your decision, I think it really comes down to how and where you ride. If you spend your days on the sand dunes or huge open areas where speed and power are king, and airtime is important then by all means go with the RZR Turbo, but if you ride tighter mountain trails etc, the Talon has all the power you'll need and then some with an expectation that it'll always get you down off the mountain under your own power, will be engaging, and more interactive along the way. The decision is yours, but if you go with the Talon and decide later you wish you had more power than the stock Talon has to offer, Polaris Pro EP levels of performance are just an afternoon and $6,000 away with a call to your Honda dealer thanks to Jackson Racing.

Good luck with your decision!
 

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I've had a couple RZRs and now have the Talon X. I never had any problems with the RZRs with exception of my first one that was a 2012, and the suspension creaked constantly like an old rocking chair. I never had any belt problems or ball joint problems, but I never abused them, and never put a ton of miles on either. The RZR is a smother machine to drive thanks to the throttle and the CVT, and of course the turbo version will definitely have lots more power than the Talon.

The Talon has some major differences and some of those differences take some getting used to. As mentioned above, the Talon has a very sensitive throttle that can take some getting used to. In rough terrain it can make driving smoothly very difficult. The Talon, especially the 1000 X, has a very stiff suspension that only compounds the throttle sensitivity problem. Bouncing off of every little bump on the trail doesn't help keep a smooth throttle foot. The small and poorly positioned instrument cluster isn't really much of an issue for me simply because I don't really feel I have to monitor my speed that closely, but it can be difficult to see if your In Sport, or Manual etc, especially when the screen gets dusted over, and with old eyes! That's my biggest gripe about the instrumentation.

Additionally, while the 6 speed DCT transmission is cool and much more engaging, it also takes some getting used to. Even in auto modes, the constant shifting up and down, especially during various trail surfaces can get a little fatiguing. The shifts, both up and down, are quick and somewhat abrupt. My wife still isn't a fan because they can tend to jerk her forward and back in her seat when it shifts. I just installed 4-point harnesses that I'm hoping will help keep her tighter in the seat and help with some of that.

My Talon also makes a pretty high pitched whine in the transmission that can get irritating too. We have pretty much always ridden without helmets or ear plugs which I'm sure doesn't help matters, but I never had any real issue with noise in the RZR.

Another design issue with the Talon is the poorly placed engine air intake location. Sucks up the dirty air coming off the rear wheelwell and loads the $50 air filter in no time. Hopefully someone will come up with a decent aftermarket system that will relocate the air intake to a better location and doesn't involve $550 and an electric fan whirring behind your head.

Having listed all the negatives about the Talon, there are just as many, and potentially more important positives. Honda's proven record of reliability is a major boon for the Talon, and even thought it's yet to be proven out in the Talon, most of us are hanging our hats on the thought that the Talon will hold up much better over the long haul than either the Polaris or the CanAm, and I think there is a real good chance of that being true. There are a couple Talon owners already racking up thousands of trouble free miles nearly unheard of with the other brands.

The lack of a CVT belt eliminates the chance you'll be 30 miles form civilization in 100 degree heat, or 12" of snow on you hands and knees trying to change out a belt. You also most likely won't be replacing ball joints etc in 1000 miles.

I eliminated the worst of my Talon gripes by sending the shocks to Shock Therapy for the full Ride Improvement work over. The worked over shocks won't show up for another couple days, but I'm very anxious to get them on and see what kind of difference the guys at Shock Therapy were able to make. They did tell me that the Talon X is the stiffest factory suspension they've encountered. I also installed a $1700 Rugged Radio intercom and 2-way radio system with head sets that should eliminate the noise issue and aide in communications overall.

Do I think it's a little ridiculous to have to drop thousands of dollars on a brand new state of the art side by side to deal with some very obvious design issues, especially from a company as well established and engineering heavy as Honda? Absolutely! But, since I only paid $16,000 for the Talon I don't feel as bad about putting a few bucks into it to make it the way I want it.

As for your decision, I think it really comes down to how and where you ride. If you spend your days on the sand dunes or huge open areas where speed and power are king, and airtime is important then by all means go with the RZR Turbo, but if you ride tighter mountain trails etc, the Talon has all the power you'll need and then some with an expectation that it'll always get you down off the mountain under your own power, will be engaging, and more interactive along the way. The decision is yours, but if you go with the Talon and decide later you wish you had more power than the stock Talon has to offer, Polaris Pro EP levels of performance are just an afternoon and $6,000 away with a call to your Honda dealer thanks to Jackson Racing.

Good luck with your decision!
Thank you for the write up, it was very detailed and i feel like i test drove each of these machines!馃榿 i also have found a great deal on the honda talon r. Well honestly i found a great deal on both of these machines. I think im going to wait until i have time to test drive each one and see what fits me best.
 

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Oh and honda is kinda lacking in the interior as far as guages. For the $22k I paid for a 1000x4 I would expect a little more than a guage pod from a 2004 Yamaha rhino 馃檮 you can't even monitor water temp and the odometer at the same time.

I'm not really into all the fancy stuff on a sxs, but the analog gauges on the rzr are pretty cool.

The front locker in the Polaris machines is the way to go imo, I wasn't a fan of the i4wd bs before I bought my Talon, and lo and behold it was the first failure, then took 2 weeks to diagnose and repair.
Quick question what was your issue with the I 4wd? My light just came on today
 
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