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i have a Jackson turbo kit on my 2020 talon. i am thinking for the fun of it i am going to start doing some upgrades to it.. need some ideas, im fairly new to having a turbo to play with but i have done a lot of research with others like Polaris and can am.
im curious to find out what is the limit with this engine before she comes apart. and with the trans. being that the jacson kit does not void warentee and that is around 150 hp at what 8psi?
i think i can bump the boost with a controller on the wast gate. programing is one of the things i need to figure out. i need a way to play with fuel and timing. what programmers can i adjust things? or do i need a stand alone aftermarket computer system to do this correctly.

side note. after doing a bunch of reading about turbocharging, i think i may need to step down the pistons to 8 to 1 ish.

i wonder how much she will take before the studs will need to be replaced.
anyways this is just the begining of my ramblings on what i have been pondering to do with this talon. i think i should be able to achive 200 hp with it but im sure im going to have to beef the motor up a bit.
 

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had a few questions for Jackson so i gave them a call today. some good info, so i figured i would pass it along.

asked about future upgrade kit.. was told today that they are working on a racing kit to add to the current turbo kit. it will have things like 2 bigger injectors and a better fuel pump. he was very reluctant with the info but i got a few things from him like that at 15psi boost they could not give it enough fuel with the current injector fuel pump combo.
also the programmer they send you with the turbo kit has a really nice dash Gage set up. but as of now you cant leave it connected all the time because it will mess the dash up randomly on start up, i did make a mount on my dash for the programmer and did have the check engine light come on a few times with no codes. but they plan on having a firmware update soon that will let you to use it for a dash. and they will have a mount kit for it.
also the snorkel kit is coming soon
and launch control.
all in all i am very impressed with there kit. every part fits perfectly and did not have to modify anything. the directions are very good that they send with the kit. Jackson is definitely at the next level compared to most of the after market stuff i have done over the years.

at the end of the conversation he added that there are a few more things in the works for the future.
 

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Where do you ride (elevation)? Jackson told me they had issues at higher elevations with mid-range bogging (Colorado 5-12k). They just released an updated flash that's supposed to address this. Curious for feedback.
 

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I'm in upstate NY. Less than 3000ft almost all the time. I do have a trip planned coming in a month to go to Vermont Killington area. This should show up if it still is a problem. I know the latest firmware update said it was to fix that problem
 

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Hi MDFMac, finding a good tuner with a dyno is the key to avoiding engine and transmission problems. In addition, increasing boost with a supercharger or turbocharger affects the entire system, engine, transmission, timing, fuel. Good to know the current turbo will work up to around 15 PSI with the current fuel system after that fuel pump and injectors, race fuel. Unless you are racing stay below that and you should be fine above that then crank, rods and pistons come into play as well as pump and injectors and rest of the drive train. More torque on rest of system will also find the weak link, -- trans, diff, … Always fun to gain a bit of power, no fun to find the weak points. Have fun and do let us know what you find out and who the tuner is. Who put the tune on your current system?
 

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well unfortunatly there is no info on the internet of people doing what i am going to do. i know there are people that have done it but they are not giving any info out there that i can find. like how much hp till the trans starts to wear out faster or just fail completely. so for now i guess im the tester till some peeps come forward with there fails and accomplishments
 

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the kit will be a upgrade for the exsisting kit so you would need to buy the first kit. new kit will have new injectors and fuel pump and some other things
 

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not sure but from there past,,, its not going to be cheap lol.

current status on my rig. running 14 lbs of boost. seems to be quite the sweet spot with there tune. it has good power over the stock turbo 10psi and is smooth.but i do not like how it shifts with it so i run it in manual most of the time. i thought i would have push a bunch of fuel to it but my af is a 11 at wot . now i dont have a good tuner yet but that is one of the next things i plan on getting.

im currently running the stock jackson tune with a attitue industries tuner in between. it took a while of playing around with it but i think i have it pretty good. i think im going to get a pv3 soon tho.

this has been such a fun project so far. im not sure tho how much more im going to go. i wanted to drop a cam in and 8:1 pistons but honestly the power it has at 14 psi is about all it can handle and still trail ride. when dag racing on a dirt road it spins all 4 tires till 5th gear.

was also worried about gas milage. put that to rest today. did a bunch of 0 to 60 runs the other day on pavment and burned up a 1/2 tank in no time. but today i went on a 50 mile ride with lots of trails and some mud and used around a 1/2 tank. so yes it uses more gas but not alot as long as your not wot all the time. now at the dunes ...... bring some extra lol


so the big question i have is how much hp can the trans take... and still be reliable
 

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no just around my area so far. 500ft to 2k here i do plan on doing some trips but most of my riding is local
as for dyno run.... if i had to guess from what it felt like with 10 psi .... id say it went more like 75% but the butt dyno is not always right lol

had it to 18 psi and was able to give it enough fuel ...... af of 13 to keep pulling and it was just to much for dirt. but the pull on pavement was almost disturbing. granted the tune was crap but it pulled so hard that you couldn't hold your head off the seat. but i wont run it like that. all i can think of is the tranny exploding. lol
i do have a bigger fuel pump for it but not sure now if im going to put it in.
 

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no just around my area so far. 500ft to 2k here i do plan on doing some trips but most of my riding is local
as for dyno run.... if i had to guess from what it felt like with 10 psi .... id say it went more like 75% but the butt dyno is not always right lol

had it to 18 psi and was able to give it enough fuel ...... af of 13 to keep pulling and it was just to much for dirt. but the pull on pavement was almost disturbing. granted the tune was crap but it pulled so hard that you couldn't hold your head off the seat. but i wont run it like that. all i can think of is the tranny exploding. lol
i do have a bigger fuel pump for it but not sure now if im going to put it in.
Hats off to you for wading into uncharted waters like this! I am going to be doing something similar, but just bought it and am trying to take care of the basics like high clearance arms, windows, tire’s etc. then once I’ve got a good baseline will start working with the power. Like you I’m always trying to maximize things and know tunes like the Jackson setup have to be pretty conservative to not impact the Honda warranty, means plenty of room for pushing things if your not afraid to assume some risk.
 

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currently still running at 14 psi have put on about 1200 miles on it at that. no issues at all so far. i have a trip to hatfeild and mccoys thanksgiving week.. then after the holidays i will be able to go back into our playground. i have a flood control area that is fully drained in the winter time.. 1/2 mile of mud and water. flat with alot of rocks and a creek running in the middle. we have a ton of fun there. so i will be turning it up more then when i can actually use the power.
 

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The Jackson turbo doesn't have an issue at altitude anymore. It did and it is something that is deeper into the ECU that was affecting it. Jackson figured that out and got it changed.
It is awesome to see other companies coming out with turbo kits that may be less expensive. The other thing that's neat about the Honda Talon turboed is the Talon with 170 horsepower will take a machine with 190 to 200 horsepower. The transmission loses a lot less horsepower than the rubber band. So basically a stock turbo talon will take the other stock turbo machines. There will be high horsepower talons running around very soon! I can't wait to see what happens with the talons as people start putting power to them!
 

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It’s just such a rip off buying the Jackson turbo kit for how much power it makes. Plus, for $6k you still have to splice 2 of your own hoses together? REALLY! ? When you call to get some technical info they have that arrogant California attitude, and don’t tell you the truth. They deny having problems running at high altitudes, even when customers are so pissed off they want their money back,they still deny it. If you read their warranty, they don’t warranty anything. If you unbox it, the warranty is voided! I can’t wait til anyone else comes out with a turbo kit that actually puts some boost to it so you can, maybe keep up with some of the rubber band machines. I almost pulled the trigger for the Jackson kit, but glad I didn’t. I think the wait will be worth it from someone else.
i agree that there is alot more on the table with jackson but... look at it at there perspective. honda came to them and said if you can do this we will approve this . so they spend a ton of time making it how honda wanted it. and after i had some conversations with them i learned to read between the lines of what they say. and of all the aftermarket kits that i have installed on things over the past 25 years this kit is near perfect for a painless install.. oh no i had to cut a hose and connect it... how dare they utilize the parts that are already on the machine that were gonna get tossed in the garbage.
 

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The Jackson turbo doesn't have an issue at altitude anymore. It did and it is something that is deeper into the ECU that was affecting it. Jackson figured that out and got it changed.
It is awesome to see other companies coming out with turbo kits that may be less expensive. The other thing that's neat about the Honda Talon turboed is the Talon with 170 horsepower will take a machine with 190 to 200 horsepower. The transmission loses a lot less horsepower than the rubber band. So basically a stock turbo talon will take the other stock turbo machines. There will be high horsepower talons running around very soon! I can't wait to see what happens with the talons as people start putting power to them!
im not sure about the whole taking out a 190 horse machine with the 170 on the talon. dont get me wrong its a great machine but the rubber band ones get to top end very fast. before i got the turbo i would lose drags to a 1000 commander stock for stock, by a few car lenghts. the trans is one of the best parts of the talon with it also being one of the worst things about it at the same time. but as a trail machine i would not want any other.
one of the guys i ride with has a x3 170 hp model ordered. i am very interested how my talon will hold up next to it. he should be getting it next month.
 

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im not sure about the whole taking out a 190 horse machine with the 170 on the talon. dont get me wrong its a great machine but the rubber band ones get to top end very fast. before i got the turbo i would lose drags to a 1000 commander stock for stock, by a few car lenghts. the trans is one of the best parts of the talon with it also being one of the worst things about it at the same time. but as a trail machine i would not want any other.
one of the guys i ride with has a x3 170 hp model ordered. i am very interested how my talon will hold up next to it. he should be getting it next month.
I agree....I was mainly referring to some guys out west in the sand dunes at the drag strips against other stock turbo machines. I'm not saying it destroys them just was using it as an example that there is less horsepower loss through a transmission than the rubber band. It will be interesting to hear how it does against your buddies Can-Am. Please keep us posted! I will be doing a turbo soon!
 

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i miss the dunes.... spent a few years in vegas going to armagosa and dumont every weekend... had a 450r then.. will have to go back with my talon someday...
 

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Hey Tickster, we’re in Oregon too. I missed the opportunity to do much back then only occassionally visiting the dunes, but I have a brother that rode a lot in the late 80’s well through the 90’s, he practically lived over there. Suzuki 450, Banshee’s and a plethora of dirtbikes. Might need to see if I can get him into a Talon and spend some time over there together. Amazing to me there isn’t more data on the drag racing potential of the Talon. I’ve seen some video’s and hear some rumors, but not enough to say we know yet.
 
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