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Hmmm. Lol. Interesting.
Excuses anyone?
Excuses anyone?
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Looks like he didn't have a clue what he was doing...
Yeah if you look at the angle he is trying to enter the obstacle at It is wedging the front two tires And that would be a problem for any machine. Once he moves over to the left and climbs straight up the wall the tires aren't wedged anymore. That's not a Honda issue as much as the driver chose the worst line out of all the machines you saw go up that obstacle. If the entire machine would have been positioned more to the left it would have climbed right up it.
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Starting at 1:45 in the video the front tires don't pull.
That has nothing to do with the driver.
This is from the driver's post in the comments below the video on you tube.
"Yes, I was in low range 4 whl. drive, not sure why it wouldn't move. It was like the clutch was slipping, but yet it would climb straight up the wall. "
That has nothing to do with the driver.
This is from the driver's post in the comments below the video on you tube.
"Yes, I was in low range 4 whl. drive, not sure why it wouldn't move. It was like the clutch was slipping, but yet it would climb straight up the wall. "
I guess what I was noticing without actually being there was the angle he was entering it put his tires in the worst wedge position in that v, meaning the more power he gave it the more it wedged them in a non-movable way. That's why it doesn't make sense that he was able to move over and drive straight up the wall. The only way that makes sense is if the tires were wedged in that crevice essentially making them unable to move and the more power he gave it the more they wedged. At least that's what it looked like from the video.
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Something's wrong with that machine than. If it was spinning one tire like a visco lok can am I would get it, because a Talon doesn't have a true locker, but it's not even spinning one front tire.
The machine was working fine, if you watch, he walked it directly up the wall that was at a full 90 degrees, and that front left wheel pulled it up. He was in i4WD. But the angle he was trying (when the video started I was like, why is he there, and how did he get there...there was some video missing) was super wonky. You couldn't see the right front tire, but I agree it was getting wedged and stuck. Of the other cars you see going up that climb, none took that line. This was truly a driver issue, and a helper issue. BTW, YMMV, this is just one guys point of view (mine).
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Sometimes folks who don't have a clue what they are doing go out and buy a nice SXS and proceed to go out and try to imitate the other weekend warriors they watch on YouTube. As my grandma used to say- "just because you can does not mean you should"! But we all have to learn the ropes somehow, and perhaps this was just lesson time for him. Perhaps he is a seasoned rider, but a man still has to know his limitations!!
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I don't need any excuses. That is the Chute at the end of Double Sammy and I have gone up it several times without breaking a sweat in my R and so have many other 2 and 4 seat Talons.
His approach was about 30 degrees too much counter-clockwise (rear too far to the right). I doubt any of the other machines would make it at that angle (just watch the Can-Am try and fail at that angle) but I have never seen anyone else try and succeed with that idiotic approach. The driver (and spotter) had no clue what they were doing. He should have backed completely out and tried the same angle everyone else was using and he would have made it easily.
You can always find the bad on YouTube so here, let me help you find a more realistic vid showing how easy it is for a Talon. Pay particular attention to his proper approach angle...
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I know a Talon will climb that no problem.
That is not the point.
The point is that the i4WD in a situation like that kills the power by locking a brake on one side to counteract the lack of traction. I guess I should have explained that in the first post a year and a half ago.
He could climb up the vertical wall when he had both front wheels touching and i4WD wasn't needed but when one wheel wasn't getting traction and the i4WD kicked in is when it wouldn't go.
A regular locking differential doesn't kill the power so it will climb out of situations like that when the i4WD won't.
Torq-lockers seem to be getting popular.
I agree about the driver. He has lots to learn.
That is not the point.
The point is that the i4WD in a situation like that kills the power by locking a brake on one side to counteract the lack of traction. I guess I should have explained that in the first post a year and a half ago.
He could climb up the vertical wall when he had both front wheels touching and i4WD wasn't needed but when one wheel wasn't getting traction and the i4WD kicked in is when it wouldn't go.
A regular locking differential doesn't kill the power so it will climb out of situations like that when the i4WD won't.
Torq-lockers seem to be getting popular.
I agree about the driver. He has lots to learn.
100% driver. No other SxS (lockers or not) would have made it up that line. i4WD has not failed me and this demonstration really drives home the point.
Fast forward to 1:10 in the video.
www.bing.com
Fast forward to 1:10 in the video.
honda talon 3 wheel climb - Bing video
Damn, that video was painful to watch, for both the driver and spotter.
Although I haven't experienced it, I don't doubt that the i4wd will occasionally apply front brake at the wrong time. But what's happening in this situation is the 'DCT bog'. The Talon idles at ~1500 rpm and the clutches engage at ~1800 and, due to the laws of physics, there's simply no torque down there. That he was able to climb that nearly vertical section when straight on and not bound up, illustrates that the brakes aren't causing his problem.
The DCT bog is easy to drive around, proper line and a gentle bump will handle a lot of obstacles. No, the Talon isn't perfect but it's perfect for me and the dual range, six speed, paddle shiftin' dirt kart is as close as I'll ever get to the trophy truck experience. It's more fun than should be legal.
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It's really a jack of all trades and, imo, a great platform to build on if you're not someone who needs a new UTV every season.Damn, that video was painful to watch, for both the driver and spotter.
Although I haven't experienced it, I don't doubt that the i4wd will occasionally apply front brake at the wrong time. But what's happening in this situation is the 'DCT bog'. The Talon idles at ~1500 rpm and the clutches engage at ~1800 and, due to the laws of physics, there's simply no torque down there. That he was able to climb that nearly vertical section when straight on and not bound up, illustrates that the brakes aren't causing his problem.
The DCT bog is easy to drive around, proper line and a gentle bump will handle a lot of obstacles. No, the Talon isn't perfect but it's perfect for me and the dual range, six speed, paddle shiftin' dirt kart is as close as I'll ever get to the trophy truck experience. It's more fun than should be legal.![]()
The good thing is Honda will probably keep on keeping on with the same engine/trans for quite a while so the wizards have time to learn how to build them up really well.
Oh but the geometry...
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