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This post is mostly for people looking to buy a talon doing some research. I bought a 2019 X last year with all of 2 miles on it. Has over 1k on it now and I gotta say I'm really disappointed with this machine. I'm definitely glad I'm not making payments on this rig to say the least. The air box design is the worst design for an off road rig. The final straw for me was this last weekend. I have had to change the filter after pretty much every weekend trip or single day outing. At 50 bucks a pop its not worth it to me. I'm finding dirt on the clean side every time. I'm no slouch at wrenching and made sure to maintain this machine meticulously. The air box does not seal correctly (in my opinion and experience) and allows dirt past. Last weekend ended up with a plugged filter and we were out BY OURSELVES. Not behind any other rigs. Light dust on the clean side like every other timesee. A particle separator or pre filter isn't what is going to solve this issue and I'm not going to spend 500 bucks for something when it should have came with a foam oil filter from the factory.

Second ride quality on the X is sub par at best. I was really excited for this machine to come out and buy one but now I can't wait to sell it. I just dont see the long-term in this rig and see getting good mileage out of it before it needs a rebuild. If I'm the only please let me know, but overall pretty disappointed in my buy.
 

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let me guess.... First off road machine?

Have you been replacing the gasket with the filter? Sounds like maybe the gasket is wrong or not sealing?

I would say just about %100 or Any sxs, dirt bike, or 4 wheeler ends up with a dirty filter when it is dusty. Yes a sxs is a little more then most. However there is no sxs on the market that has a dust proof filter design. I have seen rzr and the new tyrex with 40 miles in super dusty conditions just as bad if not worse then a talon in same condition. Ya a partical seperator is $. However it pays for itself pretty quick.

I am not picking on you. I am just saying there is no perfect sxs out there. if there was I am sure we all would have heard about it by now.
 

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Nope. Been dirtbike riding for over 20 years. I always changed the o rings on the box. My beef is why couldn't they do what yamaha did. That's how an air box for an off road rig should be. I'm not complaining its dirty. I'm complaining its not the right filter set up for an off road machine. Period. Dirtbikes have washable, foam, oiled filters.
 

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How about throwing a uni inside as a pre filter? Cheaper then a partical separator and could be cleaned at a lower cost. I also have read about people putting a touch of grease on the air box gasket for better seal. Just some ideas is all.
 

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mine has not done this. i changed my first filter at 500 miles and it was clean on the intake side. now i have the jackson kit so the whole box was removed. id say you have somthing not right in there and i would do a deep dive to find it. or maybe have some one that is a mechanic look at it and he may see something that your missing.
 

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if you put a snorkled oiled prefilter on (plus extra grease on o-ring on air box), you basically have what Yamaha has (I had a YXZ). I have 1,000 miles on my main filter and still very clean, but have washed prefilter couple times. Bob has multi thousand miles on his with prefilter (not particle separator ) That issue is reasonably fixed. Have an R so can't help with ride issues, but a search will cover that too
 

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So I have been chasing this dust i see in the air box. Tried a snorkel with an r2c filter. Still saw it. Haven't been out much and finally just took it all apart to find this. It looks like I found my leak. There wasn't any type of o ring or sealant in between the plastic piece of the throttle body and the throttle body itself with a large amount of dirt.

1 month outta warranty, who think honda will help out? Lol
 

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follow the dust to the source. are you in the desert with alot of dust? i have seen alot of pics of air boxes opened up from the desert that look like that. i currently have a donaldson filter set up that i made my self to dump the k&n that jackson sent me. witch had its own problems like collecting enough dirt in the box to plant potatos
 

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I had it completely apart to the head. I'm 99% sure it was that plate leaking. I'm in California so I ride sand, desert, and mostly mountain and trail riding. I think I'm just going to have to make an entire air intake. Hopefully the engine isn't dusted.
 

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if you think it is getting through the filter then you need to add more filtration. like add a snorkel and put another filter on it. i seen some one on here that put a k&n on there snorkel. that should add a bunch to it. the fine particles in the desert are going to be really hard to stop without restricting the air to the engine. #desertlife
 

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Ya the intake pipes and inside the air box were very minimal. It was all down in the throttle body and underneath that plastic plate.
 

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well a particle sep wont stop a intake leak. at least if there is nothing in the clean side of the airbox. but there is around the intake plate.
 

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So I have been chasing this dust i see in the air box. Tried a snorkel with an r2c filter. Still saw it. Haven't been out much and finally just took it all apart to find this. It looks like I found my leak. There wasn't any type of o ring or sealant in between the plastic piece of the throttle body and the throttle body itself with a large amount of dirt.

1 month outta warranty, who think honda will help out? Lol
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but one outing sucking in dirt or dust and damage has been done to the cylinders and or pistons.
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So I have been chasing this dust i see in the air box. Tried a snorkel with an r2c filter. Still saw it. Haven't been out much and finally just took it all apart to find this. It looks like I found my leak. There wasn't any type of o ring or sealant in between the plastic piece of the throttle body and the throttle body itself with a large amount of dirt.

1 month outta warranty, who think honda will help out? Lol
 

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So I have been chasing this dust i see in the air box. Tried a snorkel with an r2c filter. Still saw it. Haven't been out much and finally just took it all apart to find this. It looks like I found my leak. There wasn't any type of o ring or sealant in between the plastic piece of the throttle body and the throttle body itself with a large amount of dirt.

1 month outta warranty, who think honda will help out? Lol
This actually was a problem identified by another talon owner specifically on the 2019 models. His sxs ended up taking the motor out and Honda replaced the motor and changed the design of that flange/mount on the 2020 and 2021 models. I would check with your Honda dealer about it. Just throwing it out there.
 

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This actually was a problem identified by another talon owner specifically on the 2019 models. His sxs ended up taking the motor out and Honda replaced the motor and changed the design of that flange/mount on the 2020 and 2021 models. I would check with your Honda dealer about it. Just throwing it out there.
Can you please be more specific about the design change of the flange mount?

From what I can tell and according to Honda parts catalog, the flange is the same for all model years and has never changed. I have 2 2019's and coincidentally the flange of a 2021. I just checked and they are identical. Looking at the entire air cleaner microfiche, it appears that all the intake parts are identical from 2019 to 2021 and have never changed or been updated. The flange has always been 17238-HL6-A00

So, where did you find information that it changed? Can you provide part numbers? I have one machine that leaks (albeit because the front boot was installed improperly from the factory) but since it is apart, I want the updated plate (if there is such a thing)!!!
 

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I actually saw it first last year on a YouTube video posted by another user. If I recall it had something to do with the clamps or the flange, but I can't remember which one for sure. Let me see if I can find the video again and I'll post it on here.
 
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