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I helped a friend install the Honda/S&B particle separator kit. The S&B is Talon specific, and Honda recommends their switch panel kit to make it plug and play. Well, not exactly. As soon as you get started it is clear the instructions are written around using a sub-harness which is labeled as "optional" and not included. We proceeded with the install, and after making all the connections not pertaining to the "optional" sub-harness we found we had power to the relay behind the switch panel, but no means to energize the relay to activate the panel. I called S&B, and they politely said, "we only make it, and don't know anything about Honda's install". There is a lead coming from the switch panel that is supposed to plug into the "optional" sub-harness, and the "optional" sub harness plugs into a lead on the main harness which feeds the 12V accessory plug in the dash. We ran a jumper from that main lead to the plug on the panel lead, and found it activated the relay, and the S&B turned on via the supplied switch. Since there is no means supplied in the kit, we nipped the plug off the lead from the panel, and spliced into the keyed 12V feeding the accessory plug. Everything now works.

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Honda charges a bit of a premium for the S&B, and an exorbitant amount for the switch panel, then has the gall to want another $50 plus dollars for an "optional" harness, which is not optional at all to be "plug and play". Highway robbery, IMHO. At the very least, they could have explained in the instructions that you'll have to supply keyed power via that lead, if you are not using the "optional" sub-harness. Rightfully, the "optional" sub-harness should be included with the panel, or the particle separator.

Hopefully this will save somebody some time and aggravation.
 
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Just a quick update/side note: After putting all the panels, etc., back together we took a quick test ride. The S&B fan noise is there, but pretty muted, BUT the intake noise is definitely much more pronounced. Some folks may find it annoying.
 
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I helped a friend install the Honda/S&B particle separator kit. The S&B is Talon specific, and Honda recommends their switch panel kit to make it plug and play. Well, not exactly. As soon as you get started it is clear the instructions are written around using a sub-harness which is labeled as "optional" and not included. We proceeded with the install, and after making all the connections not pertaining to the "optional" sub-harness we found we had power to the relay behind the switch panel, but no means to energize the relay to activate the panel. I called S&B, and they politely said, "we only make it, and don't know anything about Honda's install". There is a lead coming from the switch panel that is supposed to plug into the "optional" sub-harness, and the "optional" sub harness plugs into a lead on the main harness which feeds the 12V accessory plug in the dash. We ran a jumper from that main lead to the plug on the panel lead, and found it activated the relay, and the S&B turned on via the supplied switch. Since there is no means supplied in the kit, we nipped the plug off the lead from the panel, and spliced into the keyed 12V feeding the accessory plug. Everything now works.

Bottom Line:
Honda charges a bit of a premium for the S&B, and an exorbitant amount for the switch panel, then has the gall to want another $50 plus dollars for an "optional" harness, which is not optional at all to be "plug and play". Highway robbery, IMHO. At the very least, they could have explained in the instructions that you'll have to supply keyed power via that lead, if you are not using the "optional" sub-harness. Rightfully, the "optional" sub-harness should be included with the panel, or the particle separator.

Hopefully this will save somebody some time and aggravation.
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Has Been I'm considering getting the S&B Filter as well. Plan on using the switch included with it. Cant I just pull power from battery and by pass panel and harness? Regards Mike Comeaux
 
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Well jumped off the fence and installed the S & B Particle separator. After 300 miles pulled air filter housing off to inspect and wow it still looks new. I'm in the Arizona desert and the dust is unbelievable. With stock intake I'd be considering another $47.00 Honda Filter. I installed with the S&B lighted switch without using the Honda Harness
and plate. Highly recommend.....And the noise is not noticeable with engine running. The intake makes a bit more noise but sounds cool....
 
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I just purchased the 1000x and am getting safety mods 1st. I might pick this up down the road if filter life is an issue
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ExquadRatus.... Ya! Ah, filter life is a big issue. However, it's a good design how it maximizes air flow. Just DON'T EVER pull your Talon on an open trailer in hard rain! It will destroy your filter without you knowing it. In stock form, the only way to prevent that would to block off the fresh air tube before you tow your Talon in the rain.

Back to the stock filter... If you need more life out of your stock filter, and want to wait for the performance Cyclonic X2 KWT Particle Separator, or like me, waiting to get time to install the turbo, I have found that inserting a Uni filter (see link) with light filter oil which mounts under the stock filter onto the fresh air tube. I have two of these UNI's and I clean/change these every 50 miles if any dust or deep sand tracks/trails, otherwise my stock filter won't make it 150 miles. I think that is a minimum amount of easy work to extend the life. But I'm a motocrosser, so I'm used to changing oiled filters between 20 minute motos . Cleanliness is next to Godliness!
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002OKFTVE/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Oh, here is the link for the KWT:
 
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I have been beta testing the KWT X2 (2nd version) pre-production. I have posted here a photo of my filter, it had over 600 miles, 300 miles on the KWT version 1 and 300 miles with version X2. But I really wanted to see with a fresh filter how the X2 performed. So I have. A video after 122.6 miles riding dusty conditions southeast of Parker, Az. Check it out.

The top photo 600+ miles combination of 1st and 2nd version KWT.

The lower photo is after 122.6 miles in dusty conditions with version X2 KWT.

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I just recently installed a S&B and I have to report that the intake noise is quite annoying. For some they may think it sounds cool, under acceleration you hear the intake sucking air, it's a deep tone, sounds like you have an aftermarket exhaust with a droning noise. I'm going to attempt to reinstall the factory baffle back on. I really like how quite the Talon was stock. After years of riding with a modded exhaust and stock exhaust off a XP1000, the quieter Talon makes everything seem smoother. The Talon is actually a smoother machine right off the showroom floor. If I can't fit the factory baffle back on I may just try fabricating one, otherwise the factory intake might be going back on. Hope some of you may consider this before buying one.
 
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I just recently installed a S&B and I have to report that the intake noise is quite annoying. For some they may think it sounds cool, under acceleration you hear the intake sucking air, it's a deep tone, sounds like you have an aftermarket exhaust with a droning noise. I'm going to attempt to reinstall the factory baffle back on. I really like how quite the Talon was stock. After years of riding with a modded exhaust and stock exhaust off a XP1000, the quieter Talon makes everything seem smoother. The Talon is actually a smoother machine right off the showroom floor. If I can't fit the factory baffle back on I may just try fabricating one, otherwise the factory intake might be going back on. Hope some of you may consider this before buying one.
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Sorry to hear that, hope you find a solution.
 
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I just recently installed a S&B and I have to report that the intake noise is quite annoying. For some they may think it sounds cool, under acceleration you hear the intake sucking air, it's a deep tone, sounds like you have an aftermarket exhaust with a droning noise. I'm going to attempt to reinstall the factory baffle back on. I really like how quite the Talon was stock. After years of riding with a modded exhaust and stock exhaust off a XP1000, the quieter Talon makes everything seem smoother. The Talon is actually a smoother machine right off the showroom floor. If I can't fit the factory baffle back on I may just try fabricating one, otherwise the factory intake might be going back on. Hope some of you may consider this before buying one.
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Yes, it is and that is why I opted to put mine on the roof. Can only hear the fan if the engine is off and nothing while driving, not even full throttle. Not ideal for those that ride in tree lined trails but I do mostly desert, dunes and rock crawling so it was a good choice for me.

You should really try to make it work for you, you won't be sorry if you can. My first filter lasted less than 300 miles. My second filter fared much better when I placed a lightly oiled UNI pad in front of it. It was still serviceable when I replaced it with about 600 miles on it but it had a little oil so I put a new one in when I installed my S&B.

After a really windy day at the dunes last weekend I was so concerned about the amount of sand and dust I went through that the S&B had to separate that I pulled the air filter off as soon as I got home. To my complete shock, this is what I discovered. This is after ~1000 miles with an S&B in various conditions and one really BAD (sand in the air all day) day at the dunes, it looks brand new and I may never have to replace it...

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And my inlet air tube and air box are pretty damn clean, just a tiny it of dust/sand in the bottom and not a drop of moisture. I have towed on an open trailer in driving rain a couple times with the S&B on the roof where it is most susceptible to the water getting in and somehow the S&B does not allow the water to enter the air box. Not sure how but it directs all the water out the exhaust.

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I am VERY amazed that the S&B removes that much dirt and works this good, they really do work as advertised! I'm glad I was able to mitigate the noise and it will pay for itself. So far, it has saved me 2 or 3 air filters and I have only had it since November. I will put about 3000 miles on it this summer and that would be 5 to 10 filters for me that I won't have to buy (or get in there and replace).
 
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I'll try the roof or mounting it further back towards the back of the car in the bedspace. I have a roof rack that I built that may be in the way.
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Keep in mind while trying to figure out a new location that you CAN mount it behind another object (like a rear window) as long as there is 2 inches of clearance in front of the S&B.
 
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You do not. You can connect it to your key on power. I would recommend installing a switch, it gets noisy when you have the key on and you're not driving. I'm working on a switch that will automatically turn on once you move the shift lever out of P.
 
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